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Rob: Hello, hello everyone, and
welcome back to Subspace Radio.

It's me, Rob,

Kevin: and me, Kevin,
hiding in the shadows!

Rob: Is it a terrifying
vision of what's to come?

Yes, it is.

We are here to talk about episode
two, season four of Strange New

Worlds, The Griffin Incident.

Kevin: A sharp left turn from
last week's tone, I would say.

Rob: Of all the joy and wonder and
excitement of, uh, what Star Trek

can bring, we got definitely a hard
left turn into remember that we

can be different genres as well,
and this genre was haunted house,

scary story, horror, horror, horror.

Kevin: I feel like, um, they have
been, uh, preparing us for this one

in the marketing of season four.

I've heard, uh, the showrunners and the
producers constantly, like whenever they

talk about season four, they're like,
"We think it's our strongest season yet,

and at the same time, we do the thing
we always do, which is we take some

big swings, which means some episodes
will not be to everyone's taste."

And I think, like, they were, they were
specifically talking about this episode.

So was this to your taste, Rob?

Rob: For me it was.

For me, and I, I've seen some reviews
online and some, you know, uh, some people

out there are a bit of a Star Trek purist
when it comes to what element of horror

they like to bring into their Star Trek.

Um, we have talked about some
creepy type episodes before.

Obviously the, uh, uh, Deep Space
Nine episode Empok Nor is, is very

horrifying in what it has done.

But this ratchets it up even more.

Um, I, I knew nothing about this,
so I missed all that stuff in the

Kevin: I knew they, they had, they
had mentioned that one of their

directors was known for horror and
was directing an appropriate episode,

and that's all they had said.

Yeah.

Rob: Um, but for me, I, I, I loved it.

I love a good hor- horror story.

I've become more and more into
horror stories the older I get.

I don't know why.

I could see how it doesn't
work for some people,

Kevin: Is it 'cause it made
you feel something, Rob Lloyd?

Rob: It did.

It made me feel a lot of things.

Um, I, I could see, especially with the,
the level of sort of like, uh, violence

and, uh, grotesque imagery, I c- I
could see that that would definitely

push people further than, uh, uh,
other just like dabblings with horror.

Um, but I love what it meant for the
characters, especially, you know,

our three on the ship with Kirk, with
Spock, and especially, I mean, uh,

La'an was the standout this week.

Um, uh, incredible, incredible stuff.

Kevin: Yeah.

I, I would, I would say the execution
was top-notch, and I was engrossed and

leaning forward, kinda with my mouth
hanging open at disbelief of what they

were doing for much of this episode.

Um, and so it certainly pulled me in.

The… Where, where it kind of lost
me a bit is that, uh, towards the end

when I realized that they were making a
point of the fact that it would not be

explained, and I, I kind of rewound to
every moment where I was like, "Wow, I

wonder how they're gonna explain that.

Oh, they all saw the
ghost at the same time?

I wonder how they're gonna explain that."
And I went, "Oh, they… Yes, they did

all of those things because they knew
they wouldn't have to explain it."

And I, I… At that point, I kinda went,
"Oh, okay." So it rang a bit hollow to me.

I, I felt like I could, I could step
out of the show at that moment, about 10

minutes from the end, and see the concept
that they had going in, which is, "What

if we didn't have to explain it with
science by the end? W- what extra scares

could we do for not having to explain it?"

I could see the argument, and I was
half making it to myself that that is

not what we show up for Star Trek for.

I, I'm open to a, I'm open to a bold, new
direction for one episode now and then.

And so I felt, ultimately, I played along,
I engaged in it, and I enjoyed the craft.

The acting was top-notch.

The production was amazing, like
it was a feast for the senses.

Uh, and I, I have a strong enough stomach
that I could grit my teeth through the

really scary moments and kind of go,
"Wow, that is, that is, that is bold."

Um, I'll say that my viewing partner
was not so willing to go there and was

like, "Where's the trigger warning?

This is not what I watch Star Trek for.

They did not have my permission
to scare me that way.

I would… If I had known that
it was this kind of episode,

I would have not watched it."

Rob: How dare you, Star

Kevin: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Rob: Um, yeah, I mean, I, as a bit
of a later in life horror fan, and

especially being a Doctor Who fan,
I'm sorry, yeah, ding, uh, if anyone's

playing the bingo game at home, Rob
has brought up Doctor Who again.

Doctor Who loves its adventure into,
uh, horror with its sci-fi, and there's

a couple of episodes where it's just
about the Doctor getting out of a

situation without any explanation.

A famous one is an episode
called Midnight, where we don't

find out what this threat is.

It just, the Doctor
survives, and that's enough.

Um, and I love in this story as
well, we don't get an explanation.

It's just the case of our
three heroes got out of there.

Kevin: Yeah, they say that
explicitly at the end.

The, the, the point of an
experience like this is that you

survived, and that is enough.

Rob: But yeah, unlike they didn't fully
lean into it of going, "Let's just

get out of here." They did the Star
Trek thing at the end going, "Well,

we're not gonna give you a scientific
explanation, but we're gonna give you

a psychological justification." So, you
know, Pike does the whole, you know,

They, they've burnt Section 31, so
now they've introduced Department 12.

Kevin: Ya.

Rob: Yeah, so going, "Well, Section 31
didn't work. Let's have, ah, let's go

for a lower number, 12. That's creepy."

Kevin: Yeah.

The X-Files department.

Rob: The X-Files department,
which everyone's saying.

But yeah, Pike's saying to M'Benga,
"Well, I've had six, uh, uh, things,

six run-ins with, uh, Department 12,
and two of them they couldn't explain."

And then he tells a story about, "You
know, I went and slept in the barn.

Me and my daddy, we had this thing."
Yeah, and he goes, "And I… They

couldn't find anything." So it's
that whole, "This is our Star

Trek justifi-" Yeah, instead of an
explanation, we'll give a justification.

Kevin: Yeah.

I, I can… Like, the closest thing I can
remember to a, a ship being overcome by

a mass psychosis like that is "The Day
of the Dove," which is an original series

episode where, um, a, an energy being
that just thrives on conflict and negative

emotions arranges for the Klingons and,
and the crew of the Enterprise to fight

to the death on board the Enterprise.

And you see this, like, um, this psychosis
overcome our familiar characters, and

they do things that are out of character.

They get, they get angrier.

They get more frightened.

They, they behave out of character, and we
are led to believe the Klingons, the same

thing is happening on their side as well.

And at the last possible
moment, our heroes kind of shake

themselves out of the, the stupor
and, and overcome the alien.

And I could see… That, that sort
of thing would be the only thing that

would explain it here, that there
was a purposeful force that was able

to inflict shared hallucinations
and psychosis on our crew based on

their own thoughts and experiences.

And, and the reason for doing that m- is
just, like, because that's what it does.

Like, I think that would be the closest
thing to an explanation we would get here.

And back in the '60s, glowing sphere
and Kirk makes a big speech at it

to make it go away was a satisfying
end for a Star Trek episode.

I'm not sure that would work here in 2026.

Rob: No.

But, um, I do love the repurposing of the
set to make it look, you know, creepy.

There's some incredible horror
moments of sh- of shadows becoming

figures moving in the background.

Incredible stuff.

So good stuff.

Kevin: Yeah.

I did enjoy the tingle of, "Ooh, that
is creepy." It was when we got to, like,

number one, shoving a scalpel into her
own abdomen that I was kind of like,

"Well, now you're just doing it for shock

Rob: That w- that went, yeah, I could
see how that was too far and Pike cutting

his own fingers, that was a bit too far.

I love the realization of, oh
no, Spock cut his own ears.

That type of stu- that type of stuff, I
went, oh, I, I, I really appreciated that.

The stabbing of Kirk, the stabbing
of Kirk and then La'an unbeknownst

to her whispering, "Your son will
suffer the same fate," I'm going

Kevin: Yeah, Sam s- well, the, the
delusion of Sam being sucked out the

window tells Kirk how he's going to die.

Rob: Yeah.

Oh, yes.

Kevin: And then La'an tells him
how his son is going to die.

And in both cases I was like, "Ooh,
that is, uh, that is like a nod to

the fans." And then I felt, I felt
dirty and cheap immediately after.

Rob: Good.

You know what?

Sometimes it's good to feel dirty, Kevin.

Um, um,

Kevin: So yeah, mixed.

D- How did you feel about Sam being
sucked out of the view screen?

That was the other real kinda icky moment.

Rob: Yes, and a full disclosure, uh,
Kevin and I have been dealing with this.

My internet played up, so I literally, it
took me an hour to watch the first half

an hour, uh, on Thursday night, and the

Kevin: Not a way to watch a
tense psychological thriller.

Rob: No, and then I had to watch
the final 18 minutes on my phone.

Kevin: Is there a baby in there or not?

Rob: What is that hand?

So I couldn't see in 4K high
definition, Sam's innards.

I could kinda… Is that blood?

Oh my God, that's his innards, that's
his intestines coming out the back.

So I could see it very, uh, hazily.

I may be a bit different
when I re-watch it

in

Kevin: Yeah,

Rob: yeah.

F- glorious high definition.

Kevin: Well, less is more sometimes.

You, it leaves more to the imagination.

Rob: And from what I could see, probably
less would be a bit, uh, uh, better.

Um, but yeah, I just adored… I loved
the kinda downbeat ending as well.

I loved, um, Spock's, you know, uh,

Kevin: I said last week that I really, uh,
appreciated the epilogue on the episode,

and they gave us another one here today.

That, like, that slow lingering, like,
"Here's how that has affected us all"

debrief sort of ending, I'm really liking.

Rob: Like, yeah, uh, like Spock going,
you know, Chapel there going, "Oh,

she brought you back," and he goes,
"No, it was logic." Um, and, and La'an

Kevin: the thing I, like, ultimately
I think y- coming away from this

episode you can go, "Okay, there
were some scares. It was completely

unexplained," but I would be willing to
go along with it if it was in service

of a good story for our characters.

And so stepping back and going,
"In service of what here?"

I think for Spock, like, we know the
journey Spock's on because we know his

future, and so we know that Spock right
now is a l- is a lot more emotional than

the Spock we know in the original series.

So how is he going to
be drawn back to logic?

They drew a clear dotted line to that
future here, and, like, satisfying for

the connection, but not surprising.

Similar with Jim Kirk.

We know he's gonna be, uh,
an absent dad for David.

We know that he and Carol Marcus
don't live happily ever after.

And so we suspect that it, that
would be having an effect on him

here at this point in the timeline.

They draw that dotted line to
the future we already know about.

Um, mad props to, to the fan service, but
again, not surprising, not something that

I felt like we needed the story told.

La'an is the unknown character that
we don't know where she ends up.

And so I feel like if the story was
meant to be in service of anything,

it was taking La'an somewhere.

And I don't know where they're taking
La'an this season, but it better be

somewhere good for this to have been
worth it, is kind of what I'm feeling.

Yeah.

Rob: Yes, we've had definitely big
steps with La'an the first two episodes,

so the realization that, you know,
she is becoming more, more, um, and,

and her realization of, you know,
Starfleet is her family, Starfleet

is her home, and how isolated that
makes her, um, and what trauma she

has or what that means for the future.

Definitely because we know
where Spock and Kirk are going.

It's, it's sort of like a downbeat
ending where we don't actually have

Kirk connecting with Marcus and
with Carol and David, which was

quite downbeat and I like that.

But yeah, this is, this is La'an's story
and ag- like you said, let's see what

the payoff is because, um, we don't

Kevin: 'Cause I don't, I don't
clearly follow the story yet other

than she is like second-guessing
is she doomed to be evil or not?

Like I think that that's all I can
really see so far is that she's

doubting her own goodness or her own
worthiness to be in, in, in her position.

Like that's so far all I've really got
and I'm, I'm kind of like waiting for the

next shoe to drop to understand what was
this setting up for because right now it's

still I think all set up and no payoff.

Rob: Yeah, yeah.

It'll definitely be, uh… Yeah, I-
I'm excited to see where it, uh, where

it goes and, um, and whether it's a,
a tragic or a, um, a satisfying…

Well, tragic can be satisfying as well.

Where, where, where,
uh, this leads for her.

Kevin: Yeah.

So, uh, uh, yeah, overall I would say
this was a st- this was a step backwards.

It was, it, it was a, a, a, a far way down
the list from last week's episode in terms

of my favorite Strange New World episodes.

But I, I respect the craft that went into
it, and I, I was immersed in the moment.

Uh, and perhaps, depending on where
they take La'an's story, this may reveal

itself to have been a pivotal chapter
in a story I do end up caring a lot

about, in which case I may, I may see
it in, in a fonder light in the future.

Rob: Yeah.

For me, I, I, I really liked it
'cause I dug all the elements

it was bringing to the table.

So as they have said in promotions,
some will like it, some won't

within our Star Trek fraternity.

And I'm glad we're able to be, uh,
a balanced description of this,

uh … What, what, what the hell are we
doing if we're not here to, to sometimes

present two sides of a, of an argument?

Kevin: And the other thing that's good to
know is that if, you know, if like me this

was not your favorite kind of Star Trek,
next week's gonna be completely different.

That's the one thing we know
about Strange New Worlds.

Uh, so I'm, I'm looking forward to that.

And, and despite that, like,
if this is the worst episode of

Strange New Worlds season four, it's
gonna be a freaking great season.

I'll say that.

Rob: 'cause there were some
quite poor episodes last

Kevin: Yeah.

Yeah,

Rob: yeah.

Like, um, so if,

Kevin: And I did hear that, like they've
said in the press a bit, that they

have shuffled the episodes around.

Like, the er- episodes this season
were originally in a different order,

and the order they're being aired
in is now, it has now been adjusted.

So I do wonder if they looked at this
and went, "Look, we're proud of what we

made here, but it's not gonna be anyone's
cup of tea, so we're gonna front load

it in the season so that the, there,
there's time for that bad taste to pass."

Rob: Yeah.

Well, I'll be very interested 'cause they
interviewed the cast and they said episode

three's their favorite, so I'm very
interested to see whether that's episode

three filmed or episode three broadcast.

Kevin: Exactly, yeah.

All right, well, the thing we decided to
talk about, because we have talked about

horror and scary, spooky episodes before.

I'll leave a link to that in
the show notes if you, uh, want

to look that up, that episode.

But the thing we decided to talk
about this week is, is lost starships.

Rob: That's right.

That's right.

We were thinking about ghosts, but, you
know, the only ghost we wanna talk about

is sexy ghosts, and there ain't no sexy
ghosts in this story, that's for sure.

Um, so yes, we're gonna talk about lost
ships within the world of Star Trek.

And from what I can see, there's quite a
few, um, stories or mentions of it in the

classic series, so I'll be very interested
to see if, uh, you're gonna pull out

a story from that era, Mr. Kevin Yank.

Kevin: Well, uh, what you, what I believe
you're referring to is the Defiant

from, um, the Tholian web, which ends
up in season four of Enterprise in the

Rob: Which we did, which we, I had
to watch and I, I lost all faith

in humanity and also Scott Bakula
as an actor watching that story.

Kevin: Yeah, so I'll leave a link to that
one in the show notes as well if you were

hoping for us to talk about The Defiant.

But no, I, I think we've, uh, we've
well and truly covered that one.

And so I went forward
to The Next generation

Rob: Oh, well I have one before that.

Kevin: Okay, well

Rob: I went to the animated series.

I went back to the animated
series with The Time Trap.

Kevin: The Bonaventure,

Rob: Bonaventure and yeah, by the,
by about five minutes in went, "Well,

that's all the lost ship there is
now and now we're going on with a,

with a tale of Klingons and humans,
uh, fighting and trying to, you

know, get back to their own little

Kevin: Yeah, this is the one with,
like, the, the pocket universe that

all the, different races are stuck

Rob: the Council of the Pocket
Universe and they're, they're there.

So we have a little bit at the start
with the Bonaventure showing up and,

uh, Scotty says that it's the first ship
to have, um, warp capability but that

can't include the Phoenix so it might be
the first Starfleet one with… Anyway.

So the first…

Kevin: Yeah, I think the line, it
was the first ship given a warp

engine or something like that.

I don't know.

They were, they were, they
were still playing jazz back

Rob: Fast and loose with
continuity, come on.

They didn't even bring, you know,
Chekov back for these ones, but they

did have a three-handed alien who
didn't speak at all in this episode.

Anyway, so yeah, it's more like a cameo.

It appears it doesn't have anything
to do with the main story, so

I got disappointed in myself.

So that's my, that's my one…
I've got one that we can go into

a bit more detail after that.

But because to follow our timeline,
I had to mention I did watch The Time

Trap and immediately regretted it.

Kevin: I haven't read it yet, but, uh, my
understanding is the Bonaventure makes a

reappearance in the Lower Decks comics.

And it looks, it looks just like
it did in the, in the cartoon.

Like, it has the same, um… Yeah.

Rob: round front.

Like it's like, yeah, got the
saucer end, but it looks like it's

been stung by a bee or something.

Kevin: Yeah.

Um, yeah, the, the design that tells
me, uh, Gene Roddenberry was not paying

that close attention by that point.

Rob: So let's jump ahead to T N G.

Kevin: Yeah.

I'm taking us to what I think
is a really great episode, uh,

Season 7, Episode 12, The Pegasus.

Rob: I do remember looking this up.

Kevin: Also known as the other half of
the Enterprise series finale, "These Are

the Voyages…" this is the one in which,
purportedly, Riker, at a moment of crisis

and indecision, goes to the holodeck
and experiences an, an entire episode of

Enterprise, uh, with, with Troi coming
to visit as a c- cameo now and then.

And that experience helps him make up
his mind what to do in, uh, this episode,

"The Pegasus." I will say, watching
"The Pegasus" and trying to pick the

moment… Now, when, when did Riker feel
like the right moment was to disappear

into the holodeck for an hour or so?

I, I don't see it.

This is a high-stakes crisis
situation sort of episode.

They are in unclaimed space with
a Romulan ship, and they are both

searching for this lost Federation ship.

And it's that beautiful thing where
the Romulans claim they are there

doing scientific research, and
Picard's like, "Oh, what a coincidence.

We, too, are doing scientific research."
"Would you like to share your results?"

"Oh, I don't think, I don't think
our experiments would be compatible."

"Yes, perhaps not." Um, so yeah, some,
some beautiful, like, uh, shenanigans

with the, uh, Romulans on the bridge.

But, um, yeah, this is… This
episode is also dominated by Riker's

first captain, Erik Pressman,
who, uh, is a, a guest star.

I, I don't know if
you've seen this episode.

Do you know who plays Erik Pressman?

Rob: I have not seen this episode.

Kevin: Rear Admiral Erik
Pressman, played by Terry O'Quinn.

Rob: Oh, Terry O'Quinn.

Oh, yes.

Terry O'Quinn, uh, for those
of you, uh, incredible actor,

was in Lost most recently, uh,
that people will remember from.

Incredible character actor.

He was in Millennium
with, uh, Lance Hendricks.

I think he did a little bit
of, um, X-Files as well.

Um, he d- my first introduction to him was
a bad late-'80s, early-'90s tele movie,

uh, The Stepfather, where, um, that's…
he played a terrifying, terrifying

character, but has that persona of a

Kevin: He's got the eyes.

He's got the eyes for
playing evil, for sure.

Rob: Um, incredible actor.

Terry O'Quinn is one of the…
Yeah, uh, had a s- small little

cameo in, uh, uh, Castle Rock, which
was a, a short-lived, uh, series

inspired by Stephen King's work.

Um, Terry O'Quinn's a,
an incredible actor.

Yes, I have heard of his character
from this, and I've heard incredible

things about his performance in Pegasus.

Kevin: In this he plays a, a
prototypical "badmiral", uh, sure.

Um, he was a bad captain as well, and
Riker was like fresh out of the academy,

um, and, and, uh, thought, you know, the
chain of command was absolute back then.

Uh, e-even s-so, so much so that when,
um, cap- the, his captain's entire crew

mutinied against him, uh, Riker was one of
the few officers who rose a phaser to come

to his captain's aid and saved his life.

Um, that, that ship, the Pegasus, um,
because the, the crew mutinied against

the captain, the captain and Riker and
a small number of the crew members had

fled the ship and the ship wa- seemed
to explode shortly after they left

and was presumed lost with all hands.

But here in the Pegasus many years later,
it is rediscovered, um, buried deep inside

of an asteroid and in fact it, it is
revealed it is like literally embedded

half inside the wall in the interior of an
asteroid is where they find the Pegasus.

And it's a mystery how it got there,
and they hold their cards very close

to their chest in this episode.

There is a lot of… Y- you can tell Riker
is disturbed by his captain's return.

You can tell Riker kind of wishes
that ship had stayed lost because

he seems torn up about it.

He's like, "I, I have thought about
that day for my entire career and

second-guessed whether I did the right
thing, and now I'm gonna be forced to

make that same choice all over again,
and, uh, and will I make the same one?"

And I, I might just leave
it for the viewer to watch.

But, uh, as far as the lost starship
goes, the, what is revealed ultimately

is that this ship was the site
of illegal experimentation with a

Federation cloaking device, uh, that
allowed the ship to phase through solid

matter, and, uh, that, that cloaking
device's, uh, malfunction is what is

responsible for where that ship ended up.

Um, so yeah, um, a really good one.

Some amazing Riker-Picard dynamics
because the admiral is here, and he's

like, "I am in command of this mission,
and the details are need-to-know.

All I'm saying is that there is
sensitive equipment on that ship.

No one's allowed to look at it but me."
And Picard's like, "Well, uh, i- if

I'm gonna be in command of the ship, I
need m- need to know more than that."

And, uh, the admiral d-
keeps him in the dark.

But Picard figures out that Riker
knows exactly what's going on, and

he confronts Riker, and he's like,
"What the hell is going on, Will?

You have to tell me." And Riker goes, "I'm
under orders not to discuss it." And so

putting these two leads at loggerheads
and, and, uh, seeing what effect

that has on both of them is the real,
like, delicious gravy of this episode.

So I, I recommend it strongly.

Uh, one of, if not the s- the strongest
standalone episodes of Season 7, for sure.

Rob: Well, that's what you kinda
want with these type of episodes

when you've got like a lost ship.

You've got the mystery of why it's gone
missing, how did this happen, um, and how

that affects the characters around there.

A- if it's connected to one of the
characters, even better, and so this is

a great combination of, you know, solving
the mystery but also how does solving the

mystery of this, how this affects Riker.

Sounds fascinating.

Kevin: Uh, completely satisfying to
watch by itself, so a great, a r- a

great one to go back to and just watch.

It's completely standalone.

It doesn't connect to anything
in any, any direction.

Um, uh, written by Ronald D. Moore,
uh, our favorite, and directed by

LeVar Burton, one of our favorites.

And so yeah, it has a, an amazing
pedigree, this episode, and, and the,

the proo- the proof is in the pudding

Rob: LeVar Burton, Ronald
D. Moore, Terry O'Quinn.

You've got Riker and Picard clashing.

Whoa.

All we need now is Beverly
Crusher and a sexy ghost.

No, that's something else.

Kevin: also in season seven.

Rob: Season seven does well.

All right.

Kevin: Uh, over to you, Rob.

Where are you taking us?

Rob: Let's go to one where the, uh,
where, where the actual missing ship

is a vital part of the whole story.

Let's go to, um, and we may
have talked about it before,

but we'll talk about it again.

Let's go to the movies.

Let's go to Star Trek Beyond
with the USS Franklin.

I always remember when I first
saw it, I really liked it.

Um, and, and, but I think I liked
it after watching Into Darkness,

so I was leaning more into that.

I re-watched it again recently,
like the, like end of last

year or something like that.

Um, and some of the parts kinda,
like they blow up the Enterprise

yet again, and that kinda annoys me.

Um, and the mystery of what's
happened, like the, the villain

Krall, who's, um, Idris Elba.

Kevin: Is he?

You couldn't tell.

You couldn't really tell for all the
makeup they put all over that guy.

Let's hire one of the most
beautiful actors in the

world and not let you see him

Rob: Not until you're watching
video footage from, you know,

the Franklin back in the day.

So how he became, you know, how he was the
captain and how he became Krall and the

justification of him using humans to suck
their energy out and become more human,

that kind of stuff is lost in the pace.

But finding the Franklin crashed landing
on this ship and them using the Franklin

to come out and save the day and

Kevin: That's the good stuff, I agree.

This is, this is a, a
movie of extremes to me.

It has extremely fun, satisfying,
well-executed stuff right

alongside complete nonsense
that's completely unsatisfying.

And, uh, man, uh, like it
was written in a weekend.

I can't sh- I, I'm sure you can't
blame Simon Pegg and his co-writer on

this one, but, uh, but boy, the, it,
it, it has ups and downs for sure.

Rob: Well, yeah.

I mean, I love the-- I love how they
split the teams, and so you've got

them off on adventures, and so you've
got, you know, Karl Urban who's, you

know, an incredible tribute to DeForest
Kelley and is a wonderful Bones.

I think one of the best Bones

Kevin: Bones and Spock together?

Like, yeah, feed it to

Rob: thing.

Um, uh, that type of stuff is great.

I like th-they're trying to jump
ahead, so Kirk is like disenfranchised,

kinda like how James T. Kirk.

Kevin: I mentioned that last week.

That's bad, that's bad stuff.

Never make your captain
tired of being captain.

Rob: Like, and when he's still young?

Like it works, it works for me with
James T. Kirk in, um, Star Trek II.

Kevin: Oh, right.

Yeah, it's the aging warrior stuff you

Rob: The ancient warrior stuff

Kevin: I just don't buy
Chris Pine as aging warrior

Rob: No.

He's like, I was thinking,
"What are you, 33?

Kevin: Yeah, exactly.

Rob: Um, yeah, that kinda doesn't work.

Um, but yeah, the whole

Kevin: of all my shirts.

All my shirts are the same.

Rob: Hey, that can be quite
distressing, all right?

Let's, let's, let's show a bit of,
let's show a bit of wellbeing here.

Um, no.

The, so that f- solving that
mystery, I love that kind of stuff.

Oh, it's a ship from before
the Enterprise, you know?

It's w- and w- how the Earth was at
that time, and so how the, the, the

inhabitants of that ship were suffering
from trauma and how that affects them,

and they feel abandoned by the Federation.

All that type of stuff, and unsolving
that mys- you know, solving that

mystery and how that connects to, you
know, Kirk finding his happiness again

about wearing the same shirt every day.

So there's some good stuff in there.

There's some other stuff going, "Eh,
let's just blow up the Enterprise. Eh."

And for me, there was stuff in this
like, Zoe Saldana as Uhura is with a

young, uh, uh, k- a, a young crewman
just so that she can be trapped in and

have her soul sucked so that, um, Krall
becomes more menacing, that kinda stuff.

That was a bit too far for me.

Like, I could watch The Griffin Incident
and go, "Yeah, we got intestines flying

everywhere," but this character that's
just introduced to then be killed off in

quite a horrific way, um, that kind of,
that stuff left a bad taste in my mouth.

But the Franklin is there.

It is

Kevin: The Franklin is a
highlight for sure, yeah.

I, I love the, the gag of, like,
tipping it over the edge of the,

uh, the chasm and, and, like, uh,
jump-starting it with the fall.

Yeah, that's

Rob: Yeah.

Um, and yeah, saving that, you know,
using that to save the day and then we get

into, you know, Yorktown, which is all,
you know, gravity is mixed up everywhere

and stuff like that, which is more
convoluted than it actually is impressive.

But, um, that mystery, if it had a more
satisfying ending and how it satisfied

solution and like going, "Oh, that
makes sense," you're still going, "No,

I'm still not sure what's happening."

Kevin: I'm trying to remember the
name of our alien lady who h- who

is, like, inhabiting the Franklin.

Rob: Yes.

Yes, yes, yes.

Um, love- a wonderful actress
as well with a… I like, I like

the makeup design for that as

Kevin: Yeah.

J, J, J something.

Rob: Uh, Jaylah.

Jaylah played

Kevin: Yeah, what did you make of Jaylah,
uh, who was living on, on the ship?

Rob: Yes, uh, Sofia
Boutella, uh, playing Jaylah.

She's gone on to do, uh, uh, the
Zack Snyder films Rebel Moon.

Did you watch those

Kevin: No, I have not.

I

Rob: Yeah, don't watch those.

She was also a hench- henchwoman
in the second Kingsman movie.

She's very good in this, and she does
most of her scenes with Scotty, so

her and, uh, Simon Pegg have some
great, um, great scenes together.

Kevin: Yeah, good stuff.

Rob: Yeah.

So yeah, that was, uh,
that was my two, uh,

Kevin: I wonder how many other old ships
are sitting on, sitting on, crashed

on planets waiting to be jump-started.

Rob: Well, maybe there'll be
one i- when we get to season

two of, um, Star Trek Academy.

Kevin: Yeah, maybe.

Something that comes to mind is, is the
crash landing of the, the Enterprise-D

saucer in, in Generations and how,
like, we find out in Picard afterwards

that the, that Starfleet had to come
and, like, take the saucer away because

they did not want its technology
tainting the, the pre-warp civilization

that was present on Veridian III.

And so yeah, I suspect there aren't
that many crashed starships because

St- Starfleet tends to clean up
its messes is what we've learned.

Rob: And was that saucer the one
that they re- that Geordi reattached

in, um… Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got that piece to connect it for,
yeah, at the, uh, at the museum, the

Kevin: Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah.

Eh.

Oh, well, good stuff.

Uh, if nothing else, I will praise this
week's episode of Strange New Worlds

for letting me go back and revisit "The
Pegasus," one of my favorite episodes

of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Rob: And for me, what I love about
this podcast is introduces me to

episodes that I need to catch up on.

So, um, so thank you for giving me,
uh, the little joy that is The Pegasus.

And what a unicorn of an episode it is.

Kevin: All right, well,
uh, until next week, Rob.

Rob: Until next week.